Elishima
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Post by Elishima on Jun 8, 2016 2:42:20 GMT
(FYI: this is a Lucario question)
Ok, I'll get straight to the point.
My Lucario is horrible somehow lol
To be honest though, I have no idea how to train Lucario anyway, so I kinda saw this coming.
My main problem here is that I have no idea what stats and bonuses that my Lucario needs in order for him to work his top tier magic. I'm trying to work out something where he's flexible enough to keep up with real players, but so far, it hasn't been going too well.
So if any experienced Lucario trainers are out there, could you be so kind and give me a hand? I'm struggling here.
The setup he uses is 50/100/-30, with Easy Perfect Shield, Improved Dodge, and Improved Escape.
Help is appreciated! thanks
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Post by Hai The Gamer on Jun 8, 2016 3:38:28 GMT
(FYI: this is a Lucario question)Ok, I'll get straight to the point. My Lucario is horrible somehow lol To be honest though, I have no idea how to train Lucario anyway, so I kinda saw this coming. My main problem here is that I have no idea what stats and bonuses that my Lucario needs in order for him to work his top tier magic. I'm trying to work out something where he's flexible enough to keep up with real players, but so far, it hasn't been going too well. So if any experienced Lucario trainers are out there, could you be so kind and give me a hand? I'm struggling here.
The setup he uses is 50/100/-30, with Easy Perfect Shield, Improved Dodge, and Improved Escape. Help is appreciated! thanks Ok, first off,
why does your Lucario not have any Trade-Off Abilities?
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Post by staypuft on Jun 8, 2016 3:39:15 GMT
Lucario loves his trade-off bonuses, boosts his stats and if you stack them you can start with insane damage on lucario, which equals insane damage output thanks to his aura mechanic (more damage lucario has = more damage on his attacks, as well as specific boosts to his special moves)
Lucario without any aura boost is weaker than a wet paper towel; I feel abusing the aura is the biggest reason why the lucario amiibo is considered so good
My recommended stat spread is to go all-out on attack and defense, with 200/120/-200 (could also switch up the attack and defense); you can then slap some trade-off bonuses on him to have him start with damage every stock (trade off attack and defense are both good; trade-off ability helps boost all 3 stats over time as well). Since his Up Special gains more range the more damage he has, the damage will help lucario's recovery, reducing the effect the negative speed would have on lucario's recovery normally.
basically, the starting damage on lucario sort of makes everything work together to make a fearsome opponent, especially if lucario's defensive game is on point
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Post by namelesssseleman on Jun 8, 2016 3:49:26 GMT
Well, this is certainly within my (very limited) area of expertise!
First of all, his stat spread...Lucario is one amiibo who can and definitely will benefit from having -200 speed, and adding the remaining points to his Attack and/or defense. Mine has got the usual Overload setup (120/200/-200). Lucario has one of, if not THE best recoveries in the amiibo metagame. Unless his opponent sends him past the blast zone, he won't die off stage. Even early on in a match!
The best way (in my opinion at least) to compliment a stat spread like this with an amiibo like this is give Lucario trade-off bonuses. You can give him any arrangement of All Around Trade Offs, Trade Off Attack, and Trade Off Defense bonuses you'd like, but I'd recommend giving him at least one All Around. The trade-off bonuses stack on handicap damage at the beginning of each stock, which does miracles for Lucario and his Aura effect. If you wanted to ham it out, you could even give him 3 All-Arounds (which would make Lucario start with 180% each stock). The obvious downside to this whole thing is if it you get hit by an opponent with LOTS of power, it'll kill Lucario pretty early. BUT, the longer Lucario lives, the more his attack, defense, and speed increase if you gave him an All Around. The other obvious downside being you can't give him ESP, Imp Esc, or Crit without sacrificing some trade-off bonus which is what really makes Lucario thrive.
And on a final note, focus on Lucario's Fsmash and Ftilt, which are good moves for killing and racking up damage. He'll prioritize those, and find uses for his other moves too with experience (mine uses Force Palm to cover wide areas in the neutral some times, works good at high percents).
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Post by Unoriginal Username on Jun 8, 2016 4:31:16 GMT
I'm also gonna steal some of this advice since mine blows
One noticeable problem is that Lucario almost never charges Aura Sphere. If you want you can consider using the custom move Piercing Aura Sphere. Lucario's much more likely to charge it since it charges faster than the default, at the cost of damage. It's a good trade-off, in my opinion.
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Post by Havok on Jun 8, 2016 13:53:30 GMT
Like others, Lucario can charge his Aura Sphere, but it takes a lot of work. I was able to get mine to do it, but he still throws uncharged Spheres.
I'll reiterate what others have already said. -200 speed is nothing for Lucario. Don't even sweat it. 200/120/-200 or 120/200/-200 are both great builds for him. I personally go with 200 in attack. My bonus setup is Tradeoff Ability/Imp Escape/Explosive Perfect. The Imp Escape is not really necessary either. As an amiibo's damage % gets higher, it becomes harder to impossible to escape throws. I added this to Lucario for lower damage %s, but he spends most of the time at a high damage, which he needs to kill.
Moves to focus: Work hard on getting him to charge that Aura Sphere. It will payoff. Forward Smash and Up Smash are the good stuff and focus on pummeling instead of throwing. Throws are fine, but Lucario has the fastest pummel in the game. With so much Imp Escape running around in the meta, pummeling is a great tactic for Lucario.
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Post by Chipapa on Jun 8, 2016 16:40:24 GMT
Trade off abilities are a must have for Lucario. I recommend this set up, Trade-Off All Around, Auto-Heal and Smooth Lander. 125 ATK 125 DEF -130 SPD Trade Off All Around for that immediate 60% which affects his aura effect and his stats increase as the game goes on.
Auto Heal is not only a pain to deal with, but with a defense that high and the ability to heal, Lucario will be living for a very long time. Sure you can argue his aura and rage may be affected, however remember that his attack and defense along with speed is increasing and the longer he lives the faster he'll become, which can lead into almost impossible to knock out situations.
Smooth Landers are in my opinion to be the 2nd best ability besides Critical Hit. When I was testing it out and gave it to my Lucario, it was able to immediate up air me after landing in the floor and deal either a lot of damage or kill me at ridiculous percents. Smooth Landers allow characters to reduce landing lag and this is vital. It is a ability which can determine a stock.
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Post by Elishima on Jun 8, 2016 19:39:53 GMT
Thanks for the suggestions and advice everyone, appreciate the help!
Ok, so the setup I've given my Lucario is:
120/90/-90
All Around Trade-off Trade-off Defense Smooth Lander
This might be a bit OP for when I actually try to face him, but hopefully his vulnerability to combos and early kills should balance him out.
Again thanks for the help guys, it means alot!
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Post by Havok on Jun 8, 2016 21:44:37 GMT
Any reason why you are passing on the overload builds? Since Lucario is not at all bothered by -200 speed, you are just gimping yourself on stats.
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Post by Elishima on Jun 9, 2016 12:36:56 GMT
Any reason why you are passing on the overload builds? Since Lucario is not at all bothered by -200 speed, you are just gimping yourself on stats. Yes, actually. I'm trying to keep him capable of taking on real players, but can also deal hurt to amiibo. Which is why I'm trying to keep a little bit of the speed - it puts some balance to it. To be honest, I outright wreck characters with overload builds. I'm not aiming to raise up a champion here, at least, not yet. If the 120/90/-90 build proves to be not enough for my poor Lucario to actually thrive on and he becomes a punching bag yet again, then I'll have to really consider the overload again. Because if that doesn't work, I don't know what will lol I might be able to get away with a speed/defense based Lucario, if I actually put some time into the design, but I'm not sure how well that'll work... What to do, what to do...?
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Post by Minerva Seyfarth on Jun 9, 2016 14:47:03 GMT
My Lucario is an overload Lucario, and I can beat him in a ditto... I dunno if that's good or bad.
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Post by Havok on Jun 9, 2016 16:05:08 GMT
The thing with Lucario is that their biggest strength comes with a huge weakness. That Aura + Rage combo makes them absolutely devastating, but they can be KO'd if they don't play defense perfectly. If you can beat it, your Lucario still needs work. Mine isn't perfect either, but I have seen improvement.
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Post by Unoriginal Username on Jun 18, 2016 20:53:03 GMT
Let me ask another Lucario training-related question: How should I level him up from 1-50? Should I use handicaps?
Mine is 200/120/-200, with all three important Trade-Offs.
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Post by Sans on Jun 24, 2016 3:39:17 GMT
Instead of 200/120/-200 or 120/200/-200, I would recommend 160/160/-200 It balances the overload AS MUCH AS IT CAN.....if he's bad at surviving AND attacking, technically a balance inbetween those two, you should do just this!
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Post by Elishima on Jun 24, 2016 3:57:07 GMT
My Lucario is an overload Lucario, and I can beat him in a ditto... I dunno if that's good or bad. The thing with Lucario is that their biggest strength comes with a huge weakness. That Aura + Rage combo makes them absolutely devastating, but they can be KO'd if they don't play defense perfectly. If you can beat it, your Lucario still needs work. Mine isn't perfect either, but I have seen improvement. Yeah...probably. Personally, I think my Lucario is pretty dumb at the moment. I really should work on defense more with him... Let me ask another Lucario training-related question: How should I level him up from 1-50? Should I use handicaps? Mine is 200/120/-200, with all three important Trade-Offs. Handicaps would probably work well with Lucario, you should try this! Instead of 200/120/-200 or 120/200/-200, I would recommend 160/160/-200 It balances the overload AS MUCH AS IT CAN.....if he's bad at surviving AND attacking, technically a balance inbetween those two, you should do just this! I should actually try this, sounds like it works really well!
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